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Post by test on Sept 15, 2007 3:37:53 GMT -5
Here the latest news off the BBC website. The most direct shipping route from Europe to Asia is fully clear of ice for the first time since records began news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6995999.stmTypical mankind, this has happened and what are they concerned about? territory and who owns what, not the fact that the north pole is about to melt and screw up the world! I really must start putting more effort into designing my self sufficient home, looks like if we dont start taking precautions and looking out for ourselves we r doomed, face it the governments aren't gonna help. So when the food shortage occurs, or fuel resources have gone, make sure you can sit back and relax with a nice cup of cocoa and chocolate digestives, whilst the ignorant beg for others to help them instead of helping the selves.
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Post by Manwë on Sept 15, 2007 21:57:59 GMT -5
An interesting discussion all in all. I have to agree with most things said. Denying the changes going on in the climate during the past century or so is impossible. Denying the fact that human activity has anything to do with it is plain stupid. But, this leads to the most important issue at hand. Even if we know things aren't going all that well and if we know that something has to be done. Who is going to do it? I'm certainly not, I could opt to use less power and live a more environment friendly life. What would the effect globally be? Exactly, nothing. The European Union is working on reducing the CO2 production. This is a good thing, regulating CO2 production in the most industry-heavy area's in the world will most definately have influence. Then again that's only one area. In the meanwhile America didn't sign the kyoto protocol. America is the biggest producer of CO2 in the world. There are some changes being made in certain states, and it is getting ground in the national politic of america. Yet still the fact remains that America is ruled by the big industrials. They are interested in making money, reducing CO2 production costs money, so we cannot expect major changes to American politics concerning this subject soon. Thus America will keep producing a shitload of CO2 for years to come. Then there's China, 1,2 billion inhabitants and rapidly industrializing. Once the industry there is all built up there will be a rise of CO2 production not before seen in the world. A couple of years later India will follow, also boosting a massive 1 billion inhabitants. After that south-east Asia, good for another billion inhabitants and rapidly industrializing. Now let's not forget about Africa, it's just a matter of time before this entire continent will industrialize. It might take a very long time, but they will. With 6 billion people in the world and only about 500 million(EU and Japan basically) actively reducing CO2 Production while the other 5,5 billion industrialize doesn't work.
My point here is, don't expect things to get any better. It won't happen in our lifetime. It will get far worse before it gets any better. I don't really expect us to live long enough to see any improvement at all. Unless the leaders of the world come together and decide something has to be done. The chances of this happening are very slim. Humankind doesn't generally take action unless a disaster happens. Now it might not take all that long for something bad to happen, but don't expect anything until then.
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Post by AAA C. Acte on Sept 22, 2007 6:09:55 GMT -5
and the lol that everybody is happy that this happens because of new trade routes lol... waht will they say when the ships cannot dock anywhere because the ports , shore cities are under water ps i like the funny idea of the mini-flags ;D
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Post by merecocross123 on Sept 22, 2007 10:00:39 GMT -5
I read a great book about global warming. It changed my way to see this "terrible event". STATE OF FEAR by Michael Crichton (yes the one who wrote Jurassic Park). It's a novel, but with a lot of true things. I strongly suggest this book to anyone who likes to be aware of Global warming.
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Post by phrozen on Oct 17, 2007 12:28:34 GMT -5
Well my concept is slightly morbid but nevertheless realistic.
And i will keep it short.
Global warming exist.
Why bring it up now in the media? Cuz finally there is physical evidence that people who are not scientist can see the effects . The Ice caps are shrinking. The winter months for ice truckers are getting shorter.
So whats causing the massive amounts in global warming? Well several answers can answer this. the top two in my opinion are
1. Human ignorance for its evironment. 2. Over Population
1. Obvious. We polute. Constantly. Governments have even made it legal due to lobbyist. And the economy's that they don't want to affect.
2. Well yeah. Too many people. You just don't keep populating the earth and expect the environment to remain unchanged. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We all learned this in science class.
So when fact 1 and fact 2 are combined. The environment will react the way it was made to react to too much Carbon. The ozone will also react. Simple Chemistry...
and for a final note 3.
I really doubt we all want to live like Indians. so yeah global warming is eminent.
On the bright side our generation wont see the serious effects of global warming...
on the note of the questions.
1. yes the earth has warmed before. it does so each linear year. and obviously after ice ages.
2. the sun responsible? because our species acts like a virus consuming all the natural resources ? and not replacing the ones the can? no the sun isn't responsible. lets stop using "projection" from psychology to blame something else.
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Post by docwarren on Oct 17, 2007 16:09:44 GMT -5
......... Too many people. You just don't keep populating the earth and expect the environment to remain unchanged. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We all learned this in science class. Bush is doing his best to lower the world population........by taking the fight on global warming to Iraq so we don't have to battle it on out own soil. Damn...... he is pretty smart after all! doc
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Post by Jester on Oct 17, 2007 16:55:35 GMT -5
......... Too many people. You just don't keep populating the earth and expect the environment to remain unchanged. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We all learned this in science class. Bush is doing his best to lower the world population........by taking the fight on global warming to Iraq so we don't have to battle it on out own soil. Damn...... he is pretty smart after all! doc This comment is definitely worth the 100th spot.... lmao
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Post by test on Nov 17, 2007 10:26:02 GMT -5
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Post by goldensnake on Jan 25, 2008 9:15:37 GMT -5
CO2 concentration increase so annual temperature will also increase. This fact is prooven => think we have a problem. But one good point is: oil isn't endless so once the CO2 concentation will decrease but when and how warm it will be than?? greetz GoldenSnake
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Post by omen on Apr 12, 2008 20:13:44 GMT -5
all I know is that consuming goods and oil is expensive, so trying to conserve is good for my pocket book, so if its also good for the environment, than bonus!
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Post by omen on Apr 12, 2008 20:27:15 GMT -5
there are countless examples of over population becoming a problem throughout history, especially during periodic dry seasons aka warm seasons. Over using resources isn't exactly a new problem. Look at Vikings in Greenland, easter island, haiti vs domincan republic, the mayans, and on and on. Typically in the past, societies in remote locations or islands would flourish... but eventually use up all the timber, which would lead to soil erosion, which wood lead to a collapse in the food supply and so society and population.
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Post by DrRyan on Apr 13, 2008 5:52:29 GMT -5
[irony]Gentlemen, you are evidently overseeing the obvious. If you really believe global warming exists and it is man-made, then the solution should be more than obvious. Again the third world countries are showing "us" what is to be done. Unfortunately their limited resources don't allow them to cut down the world population as efficiently as it is needed. But at least they are trying. Where are we now? 6.6 billion people on earth? Too much! Each body radiates heat. No wonder the poles are melting (The ones in the north and south that is.) What we need is a good old-fashioned World War! Ok, with all the bombs and nukes, the temperature output will be peaking, but in the long run much less heat will be radiated if we manage to wipe out half of mankind. Not only will the vanishing half stop heating up our beloved planet with their body heat, but they will also -and that's a fact- stop breathing, thus decreasing the world wide CO2 emissions significantly! Ok, the downside is that McDonalds will lose most of its customers, but on the other hand we won't need as much cattle to feed us. Those cows sure do a lot of breathing, too! What are you thinking right now?! How dare you?! You didn't think that way when Denzel Washington ordered Lt. Hellerman to seal the bay with the men trapped in the flooding section of the submarine to save the whole ship in Crimson Tide! It was neccessary to sacrifice some for all the others to survive and you supported him! Admit it! But what do our governments do instead? They are trying to put out the big burning fire by spitting on it. Well, actually they make us do put out the fire, by banning smoking in more and more places. Sure, the less we smoke, the less we use those evil lighters that heat up our world, but come on... that's just to blind us and calm us down by pretending to look after our health. [/irony]Seriously though... Earth couldn't care less if we are here or not. There have been warm periods and ice ages before and Earth will still be here after mankind has vanished. What mankind does care about is itself and not Earth. Mankind is definitely capable of extinguishing and exterminating itself and several dozens of life-forms. But we won't be able to exterminate life itself on this planet. We will have to wait for our burning out sun to do that for us in a few million years. Be patient, folks.
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Post by test on Apr 13, 2008 6:25:36 GMT -5
I don't care if its fake or not. Its making the selfish materialistic people that seem to be abundant in this world, the ego that is only apparent in humans, forced into thinking about the consequences of their actions, in this particular case nature. That can only be a good thing!!! Of course they're not thinking about the effects on nature for natures sake, no that would selfless, they are thinking about the consequences for their own sake, selfish reasons.
That my dear fellows is the key to controlling man kind, in order to make humans do something, find a selfish reason for them to do it, for they wont do it for others.
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 29, 2008 6:38:29 GMT -5
my advice is for everyone to go out and buy or build a boat. lol all its done in england for the past 18 months is rain roll on global freezing. ;D
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Post by blueman on May 2, 2008 0:37:10 GMT -5
I'm not exactly well schooled in this subject, but I have heard many theories stating that water vapor is a larger contributer to the greenhouse effect than any CO2 emissions coming from oil or other energy byproducts.
**P.S.** The man who invented the weather channel is one of the more famous contributers to this theory.
Sorry I don't know more specifics, but that's the basics of what I believe.
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