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Post by thebladewarrior on Apr 15, 2008 9:35:16 GMT -5
sorry to see Kane go and one more thing finaly post number 100 YOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PS wholud put 100 in bigger writing but dont no how to do it on forum
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Post by -=]Kane[=- on Apr 15, 2008 12:00:26 GMT -5
Hi, I fully accept the clan rules so i`v leaved the clan, I haven`t used that file, but I´ve got it, for some hard to explain reason, so pb haven`t lifted the ban, from that point, I wish you the very best in ongoing playing! Don`t miss me, im still in the forums PS: There`s no point the clan have to put itself under question, It was fully my fault, so, I`m nothing better then you or anyone, i had to stay clean on all circumstances (like every 1) and missed in that point, I ve got now the consequence, PPS: All i can say is that i`ve never cheated on any NB, PB, or any other server on witch it wasn't allowed, but having a cheat file is enough (I´ve used it on a server on witch it was allowed, to list all users of that cheat, hehe, instead getting anyone, ive shot myself in the foot, and have forgotten a file in my et folder, and now that will give it a blast for pb, its 5 years ago when Ive used that) Please don`t swear about PB, at all they're doing a good job, it was all my own dumbness, copying again and again all files, shame on me So stay clean, Best Wishes, Kane
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Post by HappyKilleR on Apr 15, 2008 12:37:44 GMT -5
i wish you all the best kane greetz happy
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Post by Fooky on Apr 15, 2008 12:41:08 GMT -5
OMG this is a very good explenation and i would realy concider getting him back he just admits he was wrong, and learnt a really good lesson this is good enought for me to give him a second chance
but its not up to me, but i would realy ask you guys to think this over a second time
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 15, 2008 12:56:08 GMT -5
unfortunately because it was on his computer, and even though we do believe he did not use it at this time, his main concern is pb. they are the ones who banned him. now if we were to ignore the findings of pbbans and pb we may as well not have them running on the server. we are also tied by pbbans TOS (terms of service). we are not allowed to allow a caught player to play all the time we have pbbans streaming. if we do we can be removed from the streaming. it also would not be fair on kane himself. we know him but visitors guests and other clans can be vicious, and it only takes one complaint to pbbans and we are in the muck. also if he starts being accused by players everytime he kills them (and this will happen) what can we do to protect him. we would also need to drop our policy on cheating which we will never do. and it will also lead to other banned players expecting another chance. where would it end. ps if kane can prove to pb he was not using it at this time and his ban is removed then he will be welcomed back with open arms.
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Post by thebladewarrior on Apr 15, 2008 13:16:24 GMT -5
nice explaination from Kane and col
but can he prove that he wasnt using the cheat, can you prove through any way he wasnt using the cheat ?
if it was me i would ask all other clan members what they think in bring kane back but realy it up to pb
i dont no what to say, do we bring back a player who has been caught with a cheat and risk getting complaints ?
or do we have to lose a great player and a great friend to clan, other regs, and players ?
trutherly i would give him a second cahnce but only if he can prove that he wasn't using the cheat
best whishes
Blade
ps col if you want me to keep out of this please let me know cause i dont like to interfear with clan and pb problems
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Post by savagejay on Apr 15, 2008 13:17:38 GMT -5
This is interesting as PB and/or PBBans will ban you for having a hack on your disk, even if you aren't using it? I think that may be taking it too far.
For instance, I have over 200 Viri and countless (non-game) hacking tools on my computer for testing as I am a computer security specialist and need these items for proper study.
What if some anti-hack programs actually mimic a hack? What then? What accountability does PB/PBBans have for wrongfully banning someone for something they did not do?
An interesting topic anyhow, my guess as more companies out there embrace this technology from third party vendors, the playing field will be leveled, but as of right now this line of thinking and implementation of these types of technologies without due process is disturbing to me.
Maybe I'll shoot them an email to see if they respond to any of this.
Too bad about Kane. We had one recently go down the same path though he still denies using aimbot even though his appeal was denied.
V/r
J
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Post by savagejay on Apr 15, 2008 13:23:19 GMT -5
PS, not to mention, if he truly did not USE THE HACK but only had it on his system... how did they find it? Did they remotely scan his computer?
If that is the case I would be owning PBBans right now if it were me.
Also, it seems that people who are "Busted" are still allowed to join servers running PB and PBBans... Why is this and if that is true what is the point of using these systems?
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Post by omen on Apr 15, 2008 13:29:16 GMT -5
yeah it was good but im a little disapointed coz regs was a little confused in first two maps but it was good fun and thanks to nb members.see ya on the field I like to say outmatched on the first 2 and Baserace came down to getting ahead by one crate and then regs doing a total defense approach to win. Good fun all around though. ;D doc Definitely a learning experience for us, was my first time in a Scrim and I'd bet others too, I was totally clueless that first map. The rest of the maps I still didn't really know what to do so just played defence. Think we'd be better next time with this learning experience.
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Post by ***THoMaSSo [eXe] on Apr 15, 2008 14:15:32 GMT -5
Sorry to hear Kane, sad ending for a great ET carriere, Got mixed feelings about these cases because loosing a damn fun guy over these issues are not the way it should go and we all know that
Stay safe m8, and thanks for the good times! Thomas
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Post by SamDougless on Apr 15, 2008 19:26:08 GMT -5
Sorry to see that event happen, Kane. You were a fun person to play with and one of the first people that I have encountered on the servers that made me feel welcomed. Regarding savagejay,Both PunkBuster and PBBans have complex searching algorithms that are used to detect these cheats and should not be looked down upon. This includes a memory scanner to detect any editing of values and settings via client side, text-based patterns that are commonly found in cheat programs of the such (this is why you should ALWAYS close any messenger programs when gaming as a hacker can send specific text via instant message (including Xfire IM) to get you banned), and a client-side settings scanner to scan CVARS for suspicious values. I do not believe that PunkBuster would scan the whole harddrive of the remote computer as that would be possibly pointless, but maybe the ET directory or any game directory as that is part of the game. There are possibly more advanced techniques used by PB and PBBans and should be feared by cheaters across the globe. Do not worry about your educational hack programs. As long as they do not interfere with the game in anyway, it should be fine. Always remember... No Cheating! ;D The only thing that PunkBuster may be annoying at time is the weird updates procedure and the random "Packet Loss" kicks.
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 16, 2008 5:36:35 GMT -5
your quite right sam. although neither evenbalance nor pbbans will disclose everything on how they catch cheats, it would take ages to scan every players harddrive individually everytime they connected.so i would imagine its only the wolf folder that is scanned. i could be wrong.
we would all like kane back in NB, but with a clear conscience. and i know thats how kane would want it too.
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