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Post by savagejay on Apr 11, 2008 8:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 11, 2008 8:28:36 GMT -5
well said that man. i wonder if hes now locked up for expressing freedom of speech, yes apparently that is still the norm in uk, unfortunately it usually results in a jail term. and by 2015 we may have our mouths sown together or a limb removed.
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Post by DrRyan on Apr 11, 2008 9:00:59 GMT -5
"Your" (british) chap David Icke, is a complete lunatic! Just to make that clear. But with one thing he is completely correct as I believe. He has quite a good theory about what is going on with all the various "problems" we are facing. Be it global warming, cultural issues or any other problem "suddenly" emerging out of nowhere...
Icke describes it as problem-reaction-solution, in which the powers create the problem, guide the reaction of the people, and then propose a solution that invariably favors the powers that be.
Up to this day nobody can really prove that global warming is happening, but isn't it really convenient that we do something against it? A whole industry has been build up around it and money is flowing.
With the islamic "problem", reactions are happening and we are yet to be presented a solution, but I have no doubt our beloved "governments" will come up with something, which we -the people- will gladly accept because we see it as a real solution.
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Post by test on Apr 11, 2008 10:53:51 GMT -5
With the islamic "problem", reactions are happening and we are yet to be presented a solution, but I have no doubt our beloved "governments" will come up with something, which we -the people- will gladly accept because we see it as a real solution. Short term solution was attacking afganistan. Long term solution includes Increasing the powers of police state and remove the liberties of citizens. And all by the wish of the citizens. They have created this Islam Terrorism BS so that the people of western countries whom allow their fear fuelled egos to rule their lives, champion in the governments ideas of more security and want the government to have more control over themselves to combat this. The ego's will then no doubt ask the government to microchip everyone and have id cards to combat terrorism, exactly what the government planned. Madness lol. I do believe this tactic of creating a group of the population as a problem in order to allow the solution of control the general population championed/wanted by the people has occured many a time in history. Nazi Germany and Hitler being the most recent. "Papers Please!" For those scared of islam, there are 1.6 milllion in the uk, many have been living for hundred plus years, they have died & fought wars for the Britain, there favourite sport is Cricket, they are your doctors, your dentists, your financiers, your retailers, the people living in holiday destinations like Morroco, Egypt, Indonseia, Dubai etc that welcome you with open arms, the kids that play sport in the playground with your kids, the surgeons that save the lives of you and your kids. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE MANKINDS BIGGEST THREAT, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT & MEDIA SAYS SO. lmfao. Final point. If the media didn't go on about terror this terror that would you actually be aware of it, would terrorism exist without the media? i mean how many car bombs go off down your street each night by muslims? Are you more scared of walking down a street at night full of muslims, or drunk not necessarily even drunk, white teens?
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 11, 2008 11:29:40 GMT -5
the whole point in having media is so we all know whats going on around the world. if we were not aware of any threats then we are sitting ducks. the fact the media do make us aware is a good thing imo. at least we can try and prepare and not just be completely taken by surprise. if the media does not make us aware then im sure more innocent people will die. are all terrorism acts just a load of bs or do we believe what we see on the news with our own eyes. suicide bombers, the twin towers attacks even if the cia knew it was going to happen those terrorists still killed thousands of innocent people, and for what!!!. what did they achieve by it other than embedding fear into the hearts of non islamics/muslims. im sorry but muslims dont want to be english they just want us to be muslims. im not saying all muslims, islam buddhas or whatever are terrorists, lol not at all. but there is a segment if you like of radicals who do mean us harm. if a family come to live here from pakistan thats fair enough, but if we say/talk about them as pakistanis or pakis we end up being dragged over the coals for it by our politically correct government so their own reputation looks all cool and dignified. im sure most politicians now see the asian community as the new "vote for me" and i will give you even more rights campaign, which in turn ends up with us brits becoming even more gagged or suffocated than we are now. i see no future in england for my kids and that scares me.
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Post by docwarren on Apr 11, 2008 12:46:58 GMT -5
the whole point in having media is so we all know whats going on around the world......... But you have to look at who controls the media and decides what you will and will not see. Assimilate or don't immigrate is my feeling. No matter what country you are coming from. doc
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Post by savagejay on Apr 15, 2008 6:04:59 GMT -5
Dr Ryan, the ever enlightened student of the Hegelian dialectic. Lol. Good work mate.
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 16, 2008 15:00:00 GMT -5
for those who are not sure or even heard of Hegel. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
For many historians, Hegel is perhaps the greatest of the German idealist philosophers. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision for the future. Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action.
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Post by DrRyan on Apr 16, 2008 19:10:37 GMT -5
Hegel is cool. Kant is the one who gives me headaches.
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Post by Tiber!us on Apr 18, 2008 8:33:58 GMT -5
Final point. If the media didn't go on about terror this terror that would you actually be aware of it, would terrorism exist without the media? i mean how many car bombs go off down your street each night by muslims? Are you more scared of walking down a street at night full of muslims, or drunk not necessarily even drunk, white teens? Who bombed the underground on July 7 2005 in your own country, killing 52 innocent people and injuring 700 others? Protestants, Jews, Catholics? NOPE Muslims, there are plenty of decent hard working Muslims everywhere but there are 1% of the worlds Billion Muslims who despise anything and everything in western civilization and are determined to wipe us out. There's plenty spewing their hate in many of England's mosques and your appeasing Government does nothing. tibs
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 18, 2008 10:25:07 GMT -5
very true. unfortunately what our government doesnt realise is, all the reports about terrorism and the scaremongering about muslims is just fuelling antagonism towards all muslims which will explode into riots and possibly a war within our own country. but what makes even less sense is this government we have are accepting and approving mosques to be built all across england, knowing that extremists will be running them (lets not doubt that for one minute). its like the government is inciting trouble with provacation and we will be the "losers" no matter what kicks off. ps and as controversial as this may sound, i for one will be at the front of the line when it comes to protecting my family from being victimised for not being a muslim. if our government are not prepared to protect our human rights then it WILL be left up to us.
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Post by test on Apr 18, 2008 10:41:31 GMT -5
very true. unfortunately what our government doesnt realise is, all the reports about terrorism and the scaremongering about muslims is just fuelling antagonism towards all muslims which will explode into riots and possibly a war within our own country. but what makes even less sense is this government we have are accepting and approving mosques to be built all across england, knowing that extremists will be running them (lets not doubt that for one minute). its like the government is inciting trouble with provacation and we will be the "losers" no matter what kicks off. SPOT ON THAT MAN! Thats why i said those things in the previous post, because i don't want to get angry over something i can't do anything about, and i feel somewhat unnecessarily provocated to be put in a situation i have no choice over. I don't want islamic nutcases coming overhere or remaining here anymore than the next person, but i have no choice over it.
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Post by colmusturd on Apr 18, 2008 12:13:46 GMT -5
we could have a say in it rob, if only enough of us were to stand up and be counted. unfortunately the government have us so nicely wrapped up we are not sure enough in our own abilities to actually do anything.
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Post by {NB}embalmer on Apr 26, 2008 16:06:08 GMT -5
power to the peeps:)
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Post by Fooky on Apr 27, 2008 2:01:06 GMT -5
Final point. If the media didn't go on about terror this terror that would you actually be aware of it, would terrorism exist without the media? i mean how many car bombs go off down your street each night by muslims? Are you more scared of walking down a street at night full of muslims, or drunk not necessarily even drunk, white teens? Who bombed the underground on July 7 2005 in your own country, killing 52 innocent people and injuring 700 others? Protestants, Jews, Catholics? NOPE Muslims, there are plenty of decent hard working Muslims everywhere but there are 1% of the worlds Billion Muslims who despise anything and everything in western civilization and are determined to wipe us out. There's plenty spewing their hate in many of England's mosques and your appeasing Government does nothing. tibs i don't agree with that... everybody is talking about that Muslims kill the European people and American people...ever thought about how many innocent people die in the middle east because America is playing there? i think its already around 2 million or something like that....
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